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SteveDavidson1
Qrew Trainee
6 years ago

Chicken Tracking with QB

Here's my latest cause for Quick Base celebration: A while back I made a Quick Base app for tracking my flock of chickens and supply inventory, but just incorporated RFID scanning to help move towa...
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KeithJusas
Qrew Captain
6 years ago
Hi Steve,
  years ago I was very heavily involved with RFID and one of the leading RFID vendors that I worked with was Alien Technology.  I used both their readers and tags and was able to read tags from a few feet away from the readers.  We would place 2 antennas at a doorway and be able to read tagged items with no problem at all.  The tags were passive tags so as you mentioned inexpensive and do not require anything but an antenna.  I'm sure their products are even better today than they were years ago so they may be worth taking a look at

back then I used the "squiggle" tag https://www.alientechnology.com/products/tags/squiggle/
and here are some readers:  https://www.alientechnology.com/products/readers/

very cool use case for sure

Keith

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    SteveDavidson1
    Qrew Trainee
    6 years ago
    Hi Keith, thanks for the tip! I'm definitely going to look into those links. Do you mind if I ask what you used your readers for? Since starting this project, I've had a lot of other ideas for things to track location and inventory of around here that could be useful, especially if I could get a couple-foot range read out of them!

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    Steve Davidson
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Tracking with QB","id":"message:37486","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":13,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:14237"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:archive"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:37486"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:37486"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"Here's my latest cause for Quick Base celebration: A while back I made a Quick Base app for tracking my flock of chickens and supply inventory, but just incorporated RFID scanning to help move towa...","body@stringLength":"5293","rawBody":"Here's my latest cause for Quick Base celebration:

A while back I made a Quick Base app for tracking my flock of chickens and supply inventory, but just incorporated RFID scanning to help move toward automatically tracking egg production instead of manually tapping URL formula buttons. Very much still a work in progress, but here's what it does so far and how it works:
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The app keeps records of what chickens are in the flock, egg production, store health records, supply purchasing/use, and a journal to write entries about any or all of the chickens. 

One night I was browsing my favorite overseas merchant website and came across these leg bands for fowl that contain an RFID chip. They were about $.27 a piece, so I bought a bunch, and a cheap USB RFID reader too. I created a table of all of the RFID tags, and a table for scanner entries, and linked each chicken to an RFID number, so that when one was scanned the entries table would \"know\" who the chicken was. Then I needed the scanner to be in a stationary place ready to scan anytime, so I wrote a little Python script that sits and waits for a scan, and when it detects one creates a record in the entries table using the Quick Base API. I decided to put the scanner in the nest box to find out who was laying eggs and when. It's also a confined space where I thought I'd have the most luck with the RFID system, which is the low-frequency passive type (chosen because they're cheap and don't require batteries or charging. The trade off, however, is that they only get scanned when they are close enough to receive power from the scanner).


After hiding the scanner under some straw on the side of the nest near where the banded leg would be, the Raspberry Pi was put outside of the nest on a nearby shelf. With everything set up, connected to the network and seemingly working, it was time to put the bands on the chickens:
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Over the next few days of anxiously awaiting email notifications of scans, I finally got about 40 one morning over the course of about 45 minutes, all from the same chicken. 
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I've had some luck so far, but have been looking into a more powerful scanner that would ensure scans without the RFID chip needing to be so close to the scanner. (Since putting in the scanner I've also found a couple of bushes the chickens have been laying eggs under since they have the run of the yard in summer, but with winter coming they should be laying more inside). I'd also like to add more scanners in various locations, but that may depend on what can be done to find a scanner that could read at a longer distance. 

I also need to find a better way to display some of this data, especially if its coming from multiple scanners. I'm thinking a summary type table that would group by location and calculate duration to show how long a chicken was in a given spot over the course of a day. A way to detect if an egg is actually laid, and automatically log that in the egg table for the correct chicken is also a future addition once the best way to do that is figured out. Ultimately, it'd be cool to have scanners that could also track various spots to get an idea of how they spend their days, and know when they're all inside for the evening and automatically close the coop door for the night.

If anyone has any ideas about any of this, or experience working with RFID or Raspberry Pis and Quick Base, I'd love to hear about it!
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A while back I made a Quick Base app for tracking my flock of chickens and supply inventory, but just incorporated RFID scanning to help move toward automatically tracking egg production instead of manually tapping URL formula buttons. Very much still a work in progress, but here's what it does so far and how it works:
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The app keeps records of what chickens are in the flock, egg production, store health records, supply purchasing/use, and a journal to write entries about any or all of the chickens. 

One night I was browsing my favorite overseas merchant website and came across these leg bands for fowl that contain an RFID chip. They were about $.27 a piece, so I bought a bunch, and a cheap USB RFID reader too. I created a table of all of the RFID tags, and a table for scanner entries, and linked each chicken to an RFID number, so that when one was scanned the entries table would \"know\" who the chicken was. Then I needed the scanner to be in a stationary place ready to scan anytime, so I wrote a little Python script that sits and waits for a scan, and when it detects one creates a record in the entries table using the Quick Base API. I decided to put the scanner in the nest box to find out who was laying eggs and when. It's also a confined space where I thought I'd have the most luck with the RFID system, which is the low-frequency passive type (chosen because they're cheap and don't require batteries or charging. The trade off, however, is that they only get scanned when they are close enough to receive power from the scanner).


After hiding the scanner under some straw on the side of the nest near where the banded leg would be, the Raspberry Pi was put outside of the nest on a nearby shelf. With everything set up, connected to the network and seemingly working, it was time to put the bands on the chickens:
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Over the next few days of anxiously awaiting email notifications of scans, I finally got about 40 one morning over the course of about 45 minutes, all from the same chicken. 
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I've had some luck so far, but have been looking into a more powerful scanner that would ensure scans without the RFID chip needing to be so close to the scanner. (Since putting in the scanner I've also found a couple of bushes the chickens have been laying eggs under since they have the run of the yard in summer, but with winter coming they should be laying more inside). I'd also like to add more scanners in various locations, but that may depend on what can be done to find a scanner that could read at a longer distance. 

I also need to find a better way to display some of this data, especially if its coming from multiple scanners. I'm thinking a summary type table that would group by location and calculate duration to show how long a chicken was in a given spot over the course of a day. A way to detect if an egg is actually laid, and automatically log that in the egg table for the correct chicken is also a future addition once the best way to do that is figured out. Ultimately, it'd be cool to have scanners that could also track various spots to get an idea of how they spend their days, and know when they're all inside for the evening and automatically close the coop door for the night.

If anyone has any ideas about any of this, or experience working with RFID or Raspberry Pis and Quick Base, I'd love to hear about it!
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  years ago I was very heavily involved with RFID and one of the leading RFID vendors that I worked with was Alien Technology.  I used both their readers and tags and was able to read tags from a few feet away from the readers.  We would place 2 antennas at a doorway and be able to read tagged items with no problem at all.  The tags were passive tags so as you mentioned inexpensive and do not require anything but an antenna.  I'm sure their products are even better today than they were years ago so they may be worth taking a look at

back then I used the \"squiggle\" tag https://www.alientechnology.com/products/tags/squiggle/
and here are some readers:  https://www.alientechnology.com/products/readers/

very cool use case for sure

Keith

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  years ago I was very heavily involved with RFID and one of the leading RFID vendors that I worked with was Alien Technology.  I used both their readers and tags and was able to read tags from a few feet away from the readers.  We would place 2 antennas at a doorway and be able to read tagged items with no problem at all.  The tags were passive tags so as you mentioned inexpensive and do not require anything but an antenna.  I'm sure their products are even better today than they were years ago so they may be worth taking a look at

back then I used the \"squiggle\" tag https://www.alientechnology.com/products/tags/squiggle/
and here are some readers:  https://www.alientechnology.com/products/readers/

very cool use case for sure

Keith

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