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Chicken Tracking with QB

Here's my latest cause for Quick Base celebration: A while back I made a Quick Base app for tracking my flock of chickens and supply inventory, but just incorporated RFID scanning to help move towa...
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QB","id":"message:37486","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":13,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:14237"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:archive"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:37486"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:37486"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"Here's my latest cause for Quick Base celebration: A while back I made a Quick Base app for tracking my flock of chickens and supply inventory, but just incorporated RFID scanning to help move towa...","body@stringLength":"5293","rawBody":"Here's my latest cause for Quick Base celebration:

A while back I made a Quick Base app for tracking my flock of chickens and supply inventory, but just incorporated RFID scanning to help move toward automatically tracking egg production instead of manually tapping URL formula buttons. Very much still a work in progress, but here's what it does so far and how it works:
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The app keeps records of what chickens are in the flock, egg production, store health records, supply purchasing/use, and a journal to write entries about any or all of the chickens. 

One night I was browsing my favorite overseas merchant website and came across these leg bands for fowl that contain an RFID chip. They were about $.27 a piece, so I bought a bunch, and a cheap USB RFID reader too. I created a table of all of the RFID tags, and a table for scanner entries, and linked each chicken to an RFID number, so that when one was scanned the entries table would \"know\" who the chicken was. Then I needed the scanner to be in a stationary place ready to scan anytime, so I wrote a little Python script that sits and waits for a scan, and when it detects one creates a record in the entries table using the Quick Base API. I decided to put the scanner in the nest box to find out who was laying eggs and when. It's also a confined space where I thought I'd have the most luck with the RFID system, which is the low-frequency passive type (chosen because they're cheap and don't require batteries or charging. The trade off, however, is that they only get scanned when they are close enough to receive power from the scanner).


After hiding the scanner under some straw on the side of the nest near where the banded leg would be, the Raspberry Pi was put outside of the nest on a nearby shelf. With everything set up, connected to the network and seemingly working, it was time to put the bands on the chickens:
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Over the next few days of anxiously awaiting email notifications of scans, I finally got about 40 one morning over the course of about 45 minutes, all from the same chicken. 
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I've had some luck so far, but have been looking into a more powerful scanner that would ensure scans without the RFID chip needing to be so close to the scanner. (Since putting in the scanner I've also found a couple of bushes the chickens have been laying eggs under since they have the run of the yard in summer, but with winter coming they should be laying more inside). I'd also like to add more scanners in various locations, but that may depend on what can be done to find a scanner that could read at a longer distance. 

I also need to find a better way to display some of this data, especially if its coming from multiple scanners. I'm thinking a summary type table that would group by location and calculate duration to show how long a chicken was in a given spot over the course of a day. A way to detect if an egg is actually laid, and automatically log that in the egg table for the correct chicken is also a future addition once the best way to do that is figured out. Ultimately, it'd be cool to have scanners that could also track various spots to get an idea of how they spend their days, and know when they're all inside for the evening and automatically close the coop door for the night.

If anyone has any ideas about any of this, or experience working with RFID or Raspberry Pis and Quick Base, I'd love to hear about it!
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A while back I made a Quick Base app for tracking my flock of chickens and supply inventory, but just incorporated RFID scanning to help move toward automatically tracking egg production instead of manually tapping URL formula buttons. Very much still a work in progress, but here's what it does so far and how it works:
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The app keeps records of what chickens are in the flock, egg production, store health records, supply purchasing/use, and a journal to write entries about any or all of the chickens. 

One night I was browsing my favorite overseas merchant website and came across these leg bands for fowl that contain an RFID chip. They were about $.27 a piece, so I bought a bunch, and a cheap USB RFID reader too. I created a table of all of the RFID tags, and a table for scanner entries, and linked each chicken to an RFID number, so that when one was scanned the entries table would \"know\" who the chicken was. Then I needed the scanner to be in a stationary place ready to scan anytime, so I wrote a little Python script that sits and waits for a scan, and when it detects one creates a record in the entries table using the Quick Base API. I decided to put the scanner in the nest box to find out who was laying eggs and when. It's also a confined space where I thought I'd have the most luck with the RFID system, which is the low-frequency passive type (chosen because they're cheap and don't require batteries or charging. The trade off, however, is that they only get scanned when they are close enough to receive power from the scanner).


After hiding the scanner under some straw on the side of the nest near where the banded leg would be, the Raspberry Pi was put outside of the nest on a nearby shelf. With everything set up, connected to the network and seemingly working, it was time to put the bands on the chickens:
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Over the next few days of anxiously awaiting email notifications of scans, I finally got about 40 one morning over the course of about 45 minutes, all from the same chicken. 
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I've had some luck so far, but have been looking into a more powerful scanner that would ensure scans without the RFID chip needing to be so close to the scanner. (Since putting in the scanner I've also found a couple of bushes the chickens have been laying eggs under since they have the run of the yard in summer, but with winter coming they should be laying more inside). I'd also like to add more scanners in various locations, but that may depend on what can be done to find a scanner that could read at a longer distance. 

I also need to find a better way to display some of this data, especially if its coming from multiple scanners. I'm thinking a summary type table that would group by location and calculate duration to show how long a chicken was in a given spot over the course of a day. A way to detect if an egg is actually laid, and automatically log that in the egg table for the correct chicken is also a future addition once the best way to do that is figured out. Ultimately, it'd be cool to have scanners that could also track various spots to get an idea of how they spend their days, and know when they're all inside for the evening and automatically close the coop door for the night.

If anyone has any ideas about any of this, or experience working with RFID or Raspberry Pis and Quick Base, I'd love to hear about it!
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I have been working with RFID for 25+ years (even before it was cool) and Trinity develops RFID and barcode scanning solutions in Quick Base for our clients.

I love your ingenuity and skunk works for doing this for chicken and egg tracking and your focus on keeping it inexpensive. A few comments:

1. Tracking the time in a coop for a chicken can be done but requires multiple readers. The RFID tag readers need to be offset so one reader reads the tag and then the next reader reads the tag. The two timestamps then determines direction. Then you can calculate when a chicken enters a coop and when they leave. The tag readers you are using now probably do not have the read distance necessary to do this, you will need something more powerful. And no, for others reading this, a more powerful RFID tag reader will not harm the chicken or the eggs.

As a note for others reading this, tracking direction using RFID tags can be done other ways with just a single reader. Every train railcar is outfitted with two RFID tags at both ends of the railcar. As the train goes by a RFID reader each tag gets read and depending on what tag gets read first determines direction.

2. Geofencing can work if your coops are far enough apart for differentiation. Geofencing typically uses GPS readings to determine the current location of an item. Typically this is done using Latitude / Longitude and the resolution for this is about 30 feet at best.

You can deploy other types of equipment that does not use GPS tracking like Bluetooth or other technologies, but resolution will always be an issue depending on how far the coops are apart. Plus, this will greatly increase the cost and size of what the chickens need to wear for tracking each one. They will not be happy.

3. You may have already figured this out, but when reading a tag you will always get multiple reads at the same time (milliseconds apart) and you will need to filter them down to a single read for that point in time. Some RFID tag readers already account for the software that comes with them but if not, you have to do that programatically so you get 1 read per time block (e.g 5 seconds).

Looking forward to more about this over time!

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Scott Burday, Trinity
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I have been working with RFID for 25+ years (even before it was cool) and Trinity develops RFID and barcode scanning solutions in Quick Base for our clients.

I love your ingenuity and skunk works for doing this for chicken and egg tracking and your focus on keeping it inexpensive. A few comments:

1. Tracking the time in a coop for a chicken can be done but requires multiple readers. The RFID tag readers need to be offset so one reader reads the tag and then the next reader reads the tag. The two timestamps then determines direction. Then you can calculate when a chicken enters a coop and when they leave. The tag readers you are using now probably do not have the read distance necessary to do this, you will need something more powerful. And no, for others reading this, a more powerful RFID tag reader will not harm the chicken or the eggs.

As a note for others reading this, tracking direction using RFID tags can be done other ways with just a single reader. Every train railcar is outfitted with two RFID tags at both ends of the railcar. As the train goes by a RFID reader each tag gets read and depending on what tag gets read first determines direction.

2. Geofencing can work if your coops are far enough apart for differentiation. Geofencing typically uses GPS readings to determine the current location of an item. Typically this is done using Latitude / Longitude and the resolution for this is about 30 feet at best.

You can deploy other types of equipment that does not use GPS tracking like Bluetooth or other technologies, but resolution will always be an issue depending on how far the coops are apart. Plus, this will greatly increase the cost and size of what the chickens need to wear for tracking each one. They will not be happy.

3. You may have already figured this out, but when reading a tag you will always get multiple reads at the same time (milliseconds apart) and you will need to filter them down to a single read for that point in time. Some RFID tag readers already account for the software that comes with them but if not, you have to do that programatically so you get 1 read per time block (e.g 5 seconds).

Looking forward to more about this over time!

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Scott Burday, Trinity
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That's some great insight. I'll probably be embarking on the RFID aspect of my coop soon.

Here's the app so far:
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I can't wait to report back on how it's going. Thanks so much for sharing your expertise!

Best,

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Maria Peralta
Quick Base
Cambridge MA
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That's some great insight. I'll probably be embarking on the RFID aspect of my coop soon.

Here's the app so far:
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I can't wait to report back on how it's going. Thanks so much for sharing your expertise!

Best,

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Maria Peralta
Quick Base
Cambridge MA
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