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Number of Apps, Best Practice

I've always read, and indeed from my own experience, to keep the number of apps I have to a minimum, if possible. This is for a few reasons: 1. Avoid Cross App Relationships 2. Much easier to mana...
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If you have one large app and you split it into two, but you have cross up relationships then you'll have gained nothing. Cross up relationships are not the problem.  Really the problem is when you have an app or a cluster of apps which are cross linked to each other then you are restricting that app to run on one server process.  If you have a busy app with lots of concurrent users than performance will be degraded and your users will complain.    

The best practice would be to have more apps and not have them cross linked. The only way to do that if you have common tables is to use Sync tables or some kind of pipeline to mirror the information across.   That way each app gets their own server process.

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    Sorry, I should have been more clear. Yes, when I have a cluster of apps (that will have cross app relationships) the only reason I split them, is if there is a clearly defined reason to from an organizational standpoint. I typically like to have as few apps as possible, just from a management of apps standpoint.

    If I can ever split apps with no report links, T2T imports, or cross app relationships I do so.

    I was just wondering if anyone has found any other advantage to splitting an app, instead of just one giant app (assuming splitting will still have cross app relationships).


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This is for a few reasons: 1. Avoid Cross App Relationships 2. Much easier to mana...","body@stringLength":"993","rawBody":"I've always read, and indeed from my own experience, to keep the number of apps I have to a minimum, if possible. This is for a few reasons:

1. Avoid Cross App Relationships
2. Much easier to manage (more apps is more role management, security access mgmt, more dashboards, home pages, etc).

I tend to only separate apps in a few circumstances:

1. It is a clear and major division (perhaps 2 companies, 2 very different business goals, etc).
2.  I can definitely keep that app separate from any other app, thus not sharing system resources.

I do have app 'clusters', that is to say I have 3 apps with cross app relationships, then a cluster of another 2 apps with cross app relationships. Those clusters are separated though and don't share system resources.

Do other people have other takes on this? Many apps vs minimal apps?

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Mike Tamoush
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1. Avoid Cross App Relationships
2. Much easier to manage (more apps is more role management, security access mgmt, more dashboards, home pages, etc).

I tend to only separate apps in a few circumstances:

1. It is a clear and major division (perhaps 2 companies, 2 very different business goals, etc).
2.  I can definitely keep that app separate from any other app, thus not sharing system resources.

I do have app 'clusters', that is to say I have 3 apps with cross app relationships, then a cluster of another 2 apps with cross app relationships. Those clusters are separated though and don't share system resources.

Do other people have other takes on this? Many apps vs minimal apps?

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Mike Tamoush
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The best practice would be to have more apps and not have them cross linked. The only way to do that if you have common tables is to use Sync tables or some kind of pipeline to mirror the information across.   That way each app gets their own server process.

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Mark Shnier (YQC)
mark.shnier@gmail.com
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","body@stringLength":"892","rawBody":"If you have one large app and you split it into two, but you have cross up relationships then you'll have gained nothing. Cross up relationships are not the problem.  Really the problem is when you have an app or a cluster of apps which are cross linked to each other then you are restricting that app to run on one server process.  If you have a busy app with lots of concurrent users than performance will be degraded and your users will complain.    

The best practice would be to have more apps and not have them cross linked. The only way to do that if you have common tables is to use Sync tables or some kind of pipeline to mirror the information across.   That way each app gets their own server process.

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Mark Shnier (YQC)
mark.shnier@gmail.com
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Yes, when I have a cluster of apps (that will have cross app relationships) the only reason I split them, is if there is a clearly defined reason to from an organizational standpoint. I typically like to have as few apps as possible, just from a management of apps standpoint.

If I can ever split apps with no report links, T2T imports, or cross app relationships I do so.

I was just wondering if anyone has found any other advantage to splitting an app, instead of just one giant app (assuming splitting will still have cross app relationships).


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If I can ever split apps with no report links, T2T imports, or cross app relationships I do so.

I was just wondering if anyone has found any other advantage to splitting an app, instead of just one giant app (assuming splitting will still have cross app relationships).


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