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The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.  

I'm interested to see this info as well. I'm still struggling with pipelines and miss the option and simplicity of automations. 

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Lorrie

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2023 23:58
From: Drew Voge
Subject: New Form Builder Rules - Where is the bug list?

The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.  

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Drew Voge
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This whole thing is embarrassing if you ask me.  I wish we could have resolved all the issues with Pipelines before having to deal with another product upgrade and an even larger list of new bugs.

Here is a list summarizing bugs I've already submitted as a support case:

1. Form Rule names cannot be edited and saved unless you also change some other part of the rule.
2. Records can be saved even when the "Required" action has been set using a "New" Form Rule.
3. The "Usage" tab in the Field Properties page shows usages of the field in the New Forms that do not actually exist (specifying Form Rule #'s that don't actually use that field).
4. Sometimes existing Form Rules will become corrupted and go to a white screen that you cannot recover from, even when clicking to another page.  Only way to resolve is reload page, and then delete the "problem" form rule and recreate.
5. Embedded reports do not let you hide the button to see "Full Report" or hide the Search Records Widget.  This is not a bug, but a major UI/UX flaw.
6. Many cases exist where the user is prompted "Are you sure you want to leave?" a Form Rule, even when no changes have been made.
7. Certain cases of a Form Rule will not allow the user to perform a conditional statement to test if a field is equal to blank - in particular, this seems to apply to the Related Field key.
8. Within a Form Rule, you cannot "Change Value" of a field to the value in another field unless the field type is exactly the same.  So, multi-select text field cannot be set to the text value of another field because multi-select text does not equal text.
   • Quickbase seems to have addressed this bug.  :)
9. This next one I did not submit as a bug, but a Feedback issue on the Feedback page: you can no longer view a form in the embedded page view using ifv=1 or ifv=0.

Other bugs or issues I have mentioned or discussed openly, but not submitted include:

• Print action is no longer available from New Form.
• Copy Record action is no longer available from New Form.

Unfortunately, there are still more bugs than this.

The product is not usable for my organization until they resolve the most significant bugs.  Such as #2, #4, #7, and #8 on my list.

Original Message:
Sent: 07-06-2023 10:12
From: Lorrie
Subject: New Form Builder Rules - Where is the bug list?

I'm interested to see this info as well. I'm still struggling with pipelines and miss the option and simplicity of automations. 

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Lorrie

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2023 23:58
From: Drew Voge
Subject: New Form Builder Rules - Where is the bug list?

The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.  

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Drew Voge
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Hey Drew,

It's frustrating dealing with these form bugs. And important to understand there is a difference between Support Cases (specific to your organization and apps) vs. "Feedback" (which is applicable to all Quickbase Users and Apps).

If you login to your Quickbase account and click "My Apps" in the top-left nav, then stuck to the left side of the screen you'll see a small "Give Feedback" tab that flys out when you click it. From there, there is a set of icons at the top where you can jump over a full page view to review the list of things others have submitted … as well as, Quickbase's Status for reviewing or fixing the reported suggestion.

There you may also upvote others suggestions. I've attached a couple screenshots, which ultimately lead to:

https://feedback.quickbase.com/app/#/user/dashboard

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Brian Seymour

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2023 23:58
From: Drew Voge
Subject: New Form Builder Rules - Where is the bug list?

The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.  

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Drew Voge
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While I agree it is important to remember the different between a Support Case and Feedback, it's also important to remember the difference between a bug and feedback.  Perhaps in the interest of time, the previous post confuses this a little. 

Feedback insinuates a suggestion to make the product behave differently than it currently behaves.  You should not submit a Bug here simply for the purpose of allowing other users to see it within the Feedback system.  A Feedback example: in the New Forms, I believe some great feedback is that the embedded Report feature should not display the large space-consuming button and search widget by default.  The user should be able to disable it.

Bugs are issues with the software and underlying code or workflows, and should typically be submitted as a Support Case inhibiting the user from using the software platform.  We shouldn't really have to provide Feedback for a bug, as it should be addressed and fixed ASAP by the Product Development team.  For example, some of the Form Rules in the New Form become corrupted with a "white screen of death" that cannot be recovered from, and this make the product essentially unusable of this happens.

The previous post might almost be suggesting that a Support Case is not applicable to all Quickbase Users and Apps, while that couldn't be further from the truth.  The bugs I have submitted through the Manage Cases link are applicable to all users of the New Form product, and were quickly acknowledged.  Just because all other users cannot see my Cases does not mean they aren't applicable to all users - since QB will ideally fix these bugs I submitted for ALL users.  But you can't track the status of bugs I've submitted with the design of this system.

Hey Drew,

It's frustrating dealing with these form bugs. And important to understand there is a difference between Support Cases (specific to your organization and apps) vs. "Feedback" (which is applicable to all Quickbase Users and Apps).

If you login to your Quickbase account and click "My Apps" in the top-left nav, then stuck to the left side of the screen you'll see a small "Give Feedback" tab that flys out when you click it. From there, there is a set of icons at the top where you can jump over a full page view to review the list of things others have submitted … as well as, Quickbase's Status for reviewing or fixing the reported suggestion.

There you may also upvote others suggestions. I've attached a couple screenshots, which ultimately lead to:

https://feedback.quickbase.com/app/#/user/dashboard

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Brian Seymour

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2023 23:58
From: Drew Voge
Subject: New Form Builder Rules - Where is the bug list?

The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.  

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Drew Voge
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While I agree it is important to remember the different between a Support Case and Feedback, it's also important to remember the difference between a bug and feedback.  Perhaps in the interest of time, the previous post confuses this a little. 

Feedback insinuates a suggestion to make the product behave differently than it currently behaves.  You should not submit a Bug here simply for the purpose of allowing other users to see it within the Feedback system.  A Feedback example: in the New Forms, I believe some great feedback is that the embedded Report feature should not display the large space-consuming button and search widget by default.  The user should be able to disable it.

Bugs are issues with the software and underlying code or workflows, and should typically be submitted as a Support Case inhibiting the user from using the software platform.  We shouldn't really have to provide Feedback for a bug, as it should be addressed and fixed ASAP by the Product Development team.  For example, some of the Form Rules in the New Form become corrupted with a "white screen of death" that cannot be recovered from, and this make the product essentially unusable of this happens.

The previous post might almost be suggesting that a Support Case is not applicable to all Quickbase Users and Apps, while that couldn't be further from the truth.  The bugs I have submitted through the Manage Cases link are applicable to all users of the New Form product, and were quickly acknowledged.  Just because all other users cannot see my Cases does not mean they aren't applicable to all users - since QB will ideally fix these bugs I submitted for ALL users.  But you can't track the status of bugs I've submitted with the design of this system.

Hey Drew,

It's frustrating dealing with these form bugs. And important to understand there is a difference between Support Cases (specific to your organization and apps) vs. "Feedback" (which is applicable to all Quickbase Users and Apps).

If you login to your Quickbase account and click "My Apps" in the top-left nav, then stuck to the left side of the screen you'll see a small "Give Feedback" tab that flys out when you click it. From there, there is a set of icons at the top where you can jump over a full page view to review the list of things others have submitted … as well as, Quickbase's Status for reviewing or fixing the reported suggestion.

There you may also upvote others suggestions. I've attached a couple screenshots, which ultimately lead to:

https://feedback.quickbase.com/app/#/user/dashboard

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Brian Seymour

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2023 23:58
From: Drew Voge
Subject: New Form Builder Rules - Where is the bug list?

The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.  

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Drew Voge
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The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.  

Some time ago I asked Support (via case) if there is way to see status for my Bug.

They replied that I need to look for it in Release Notes 😁, as they are not sharing bug list with us :)

The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.  

The rules in the new form builder are utterly unpredictable and loaded with bugs, as others have noted.  At this point, it is largely unusable unless you don't have form rules.  

Where do I go to find out what bugs are already reported before I start putting in support cases?  I don't want to waste my or QB supports time with things already reported.  I have already wasted hours on these forms.